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and good afternoon from philadelphia

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frank here with a special

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thursday afternoon edition of ufo news

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network sunday

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joined as always by uh my co-host chant

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hannah

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and chant we're back at it again after a

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very interesting show last night

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and we've got another fantastic guest

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today so why don't you come on in and

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tell us all about it yeah i'm so glad to

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be here frank how

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are you by the way uh ready to go

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yeah everything's going really well we

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have a very special guest on today gary

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gary was born in 1960 in skinthorpe

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and from 83 to 89 before spending almost

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24-year career in british transport

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police from 89 to 2013.

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he was a detective constable for 19

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while serving as a police officer he

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launched an unofficial national database

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for police officers reporting ufo

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sightings in the uk which can be found

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at profos

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police database dot co uk

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in 2010 he was presented with the prg

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disclosure award in washington dc by

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steve bassett

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in 2012 he was given the exo politics

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great britain award

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he is also one of the leading

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researchers in the renal shem forest

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britain's most famous ufo case he's

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currently the lead researcher and

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co-writer of a major independent

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feature length documentary called cable

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that is currently in production in the

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based on his police experience gary has

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examined the best evidence from around

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the world and concluded

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on a circumstantial evidence basis that

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ufo sightings involve extraterrestrials

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who are interacting with planet earth

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as a result of this belief he retired

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early from the police

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in 2013 to create and launch ufo truth

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magazine

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it is a 96-page bi-monthly e-sign

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created especially for those people who

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believe that some ufo incidents involve

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who had experienced ufo sightings at the

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citizens hearing at the national press

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club in washington d.c

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home first west yorkshire respectively

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welcome gary to our show it's so

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wonderful having you here with us today

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thank you for having me as a guest yes

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issue of your wonderful magazine ufo

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truth

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and i noticed in the introduction to it

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you said it's a start of a new year

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you're optimistic that there could be

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some important developments in the world

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of disclosure over the coming months

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government officials are they uh private

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in its formative process uh they don't

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who is that funding from and the answer

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that yes i mean in the past there has

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of what uh is proposed now and i think

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recognized world body as it were uh

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background minds a police background

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who are scientists are some scientists

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some of the delegates but it's a very

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that says that you believe that some

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that the case is proven and now it's

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moving on and preparing for a level of

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figure out how often

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it's et uh what uh what would they the

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next step be as far as you know from

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this organization or what would your

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next step be if you ran the organization

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well one i don't run the organization so

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that would be improper for me to say

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details of that yet

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but i think it would be prudent to wait

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anybody who is serious about wanting

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disclosure

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we should be included in a process

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until such a time as we don't believe in

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the process

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it's better to be on the inside and find

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out what's going on

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and hope that it's a genuine initiative

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may have happened in china or russia

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that we here in the west

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aren't familiar with uh no but it was

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quite a high-level meeting

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like in it was hosted in moscow and uh

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there were two cosmonauts there

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uh both in uniform um

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both retired but both in military

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uniform so

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this you can see that it was it was a

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quite a big publicity thing

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and there was a big chinese delegation

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there

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um so i think uh i think it's early days

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but let's see where it goes that's

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that's what i'm saying to people

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who we are approaching to be delegates

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so it looks like you might have a busy

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year ahead of you

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yeah to be fair

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um i have always wanted to

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in a sense get into the political arena

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on in terms of ufology

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uh but up until now i think it would be

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fair to say that historically

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when you look at the ufo subject

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worldwide we've not been very good at

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organizing ourselves and putting our

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best foot forward collectively

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it's been very ego driven and my group's

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better than your group

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my personality is better than your

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personality which

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uh has led to as not really having a

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political

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force which you'd think after 70 odd

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years we should have had by now

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gary in your uh ezine ufo truth

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you said while the ufo uap enigma is

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complex

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it is clear to you that there is a

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non-human presence interacting with the

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earth

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and it acts with clear signs of

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intelligence can you

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give us a few examples of what you mean

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by

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clear signs of intelligence well

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if you see a ufo close quarters and you

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flash a flashlight towards it it will

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come towards you

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has often been reported by police

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officers talking to me

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sometimes the object will come curious

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and then

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go away when you look at pilot reports

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where there's real interaction they turn

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off all the cabin lights

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and then the object puts all its lights

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on and things like that

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if you look if you think of the uh uh

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iranian uh uh chess uh

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jet pilot chase um

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when he got to class the object uh

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fired in all intents and purposes a red

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object

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directly on a collision course with the

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plane as if it was like

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throwing out chaff and the pilot thought

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he was going to die so i mean this is

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all very clear intelligence what we're

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looking at is only a small percentage of

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cases reported worldwide and i think

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perhaps i would agree with

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only the overall general term of three

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percent

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you call down

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and you look at the very best cases

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after investigation

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then you end up with about three percent

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but that's three percent of millions of

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cases over the years

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you said also in uh your ezine

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their origins may be interdimensional or

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multiverse

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but at its heart you believe that a

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proportion of sightings are definitely

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et and origin

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how do you feel about the topic of ufos

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or rather extraterrestrial crafts and

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extraterrestrials

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with regards to the topic of

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consciousness

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do you feel like those two topics uh

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connect at all

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well absolutely yeah i mean many years

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ago

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it was a bit more uh it was very much

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black and white there were those that

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believed in the nuts and bolts

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the major donald kehoe's of the world

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and then as time went on when you look

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at valet coming into the field

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it got much more expanded and i think

390
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that's where we are at the moment and

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obviously i think like with the the god

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particle the higgs boson particle

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now people say that and i'm not a

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scientist but they will say that

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there are now definite uh multiple

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universes

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that can all be all coexistent at the

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same time

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time travel may be possible

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interdimensional

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i think all of that aspects are true now

402
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and and there are very many parallels

403
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now that we accept

404
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into the paranormal world there are

405
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crossovers there often

406
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creatures bigfoot

407
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strange creatures are seen alongside ufo

408
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sightings

409
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it's something that would have never

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been talked about 30 40 years ago

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but i think people are more open to that

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but i think at the heart

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what you if if you are to accept that

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the abduction phenomena

415
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or a percentage of the abduction

416
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phenomena is real

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and i definitely believe that then you

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know you're looking at millions of

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people

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around the world often describing

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what what could probably be described as

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four or five

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main types of what looks like something

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that ct other than say the nordics

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and then you you go into different areas

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so i think that

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if you accept that there is an abduction

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phenomena

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then part of the ufo enigma

430
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is at related it may well be many more

431
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things

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but i personally believe that there's

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definitely an et link

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and if you think about what we're trying

435
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to do reach out into space

436
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and what we now know uh through

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astronomy of how many billions of

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billions of planets

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and uh stars and with around

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every uh star now they're saying there's

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literally

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anywhere between six and ten uh

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satellites

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uh moons etc planets

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so every single uh star

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will have a planetary system and of

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those

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in that planetary system probably two or

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three

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are what's called in the goldilocks zone

451
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not too hot

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not too cold that can support life

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all it takes is for i mean i often say

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this the

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the star trek argument is a great way to

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look at this

457
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it's ridiculous for astronomers to say

458
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oh well look at the light years that's

459
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because you're thinking in earthly terms

460
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by our own level of knowledge but if you

461
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were a civilization that

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emerged uh technologically 10 000 years

463
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earlier than where we are now then they

464
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wouldn't be driving around

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in petrol driven cars and jet engined uh

466
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jet jet aircraft uh so they would have

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developed new methods of propulsion

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but that's only ten thousand what if a

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civilization

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out there in space is a million years

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ahead they may be able to

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uh go between the star system

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by whatever method is in propulsion but

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undoubtedly they will have been found

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in the blink of an eye and maybe

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consciousness

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plays a part in that because a lot of

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people will say that the art of travel

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in the future may be through the mind

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okay well uh it sounds like you and stan

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friedman who you've known since 2004

482
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when you met him in ireland

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and has also been a contributor to your

484
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ezine for the last two years

485
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and you relate to what you just talked

486
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about he actually said

487
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that he believes advanced

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extraterrestrial civilizations have the

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capability of telepathy

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mind control communication at a distance

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and causing amnesia so people will not

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remember their abduction experiences

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um i wanted to bring up an interesting

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topic bob lazar has brought up

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uh repeatedly and that is

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uh the ability for crafts these

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extraterrestrial crafts to

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traverse interstellar space and

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he proposes the idea that element 115

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that decays

501
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into element 116 allows

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these crafts to

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to travel for long distances

504
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with nominal amounts very small amounts

505
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of element 116.

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how do you feel about that is that

507
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possible what do you think these crafts

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run on

509
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if it's not that well i i'm not a

510
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scientist so i'm not going to go into

511
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areas that i'm not

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secure on suffice to say that obviously

513
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i'm well aware of bubbles are

514
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and it's a fascinating account uh and

515
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the fact that he was talking about

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element 115 before it was

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officially acknowledged is interesting

518
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however in many ways as i reviewed in

519
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the magazine in issue

520
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34 i liked the documentary and he's

521
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always good on screen

522
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as his george knapp but in terms of

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evidence to prove categorically that he

524
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worked where he said he worked that he

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had the

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qualifications that he said i think

527
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that's still very light on the ground

528
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as compelling as i find him and i do

529
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find him compelling

530
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and i can't i kind of like his his

531
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attitude when he's on the screen of well

532
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i can only tell you

533
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how i see it is very he's very matter of

534
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fact and that is quite

535
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impressive for me uh that he's he's

536
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never really changed his story

537
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from 89 onwards and and he is very

538
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confident in himself

539
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,840
but i know i've spoken with stanton

540
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friedman about it on several occasions

541
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he he will say that there's not enough

542
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evidence to prove who he says he is

543
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uh but i personally find him quite

544
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compelling but

545
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if you're asking me uh the documentary i

546
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enjoyed it

547
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but was there anything really new from

548
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89

549
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not at all but i do find him a

550
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compelling character

551
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and i think george knapp is always good

552
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on camera

553
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:23,440
well i did have a question though and

554
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that is how

555
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:27,039
do these crafts because what my question

556
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was

557
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:32,559
is bob proposes that the propulsion

558
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system

559
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:37,200
of these crafts run on some kind

560
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:41,200
of source the source he suggested

561
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,799
was a decayed element 115 which turns

562
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into element 116.

563
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:50,400
if it's not that uh what kind of

564
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propulsion

565
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system do you feel these

566
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:54,559
extraterrestrial craft uh

567
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not all but some uh consists of

568
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well as i say i'm not a scientist or a

569
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physicist so

570
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what i would say is that they they have

571
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harnessed

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uh antigravity in some way and are

573
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,760
anti-gravity

574
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:12,080
in their propulsion system that way that

575
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,200
they can move

576
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:15,520
they can do the right angle turns that

577
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,400
if it was

578
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,200
a man-made machine we couldn't do that

579
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:21,679
instant acceleration incident stop

580
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,720
reversals instant reversal incident stop

581
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,039
vertical ascent vertical descent all at

582
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:29,039
high speed we can do that the g-forces

583
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,440
are

584
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,480
way too much uh so i think the the et

585
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,799
travels by obviously some method of

586
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,520
propulsion

587
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,520
and i suspect it's some form of

588
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:39,360
anti-gravity now what powers the

589
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,559
anti-gravity

590
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:42,960
i don't know but i just look at it in

591
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,520
simple terms are there very good cases

592
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:48,000
around the world that you can eliminate

593
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:48,559
everything

594
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:52,400
astronomical et cetera and i think the

595
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:53,440
answer is yes

596
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,880
and that three percent hardcore is

597
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:59,039
a very definite given that something not

598
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,919
man-made

599
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,320
and and if you if you think back to the

600
00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:04,240
pentagon admissions uh

601
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:07,720
that's why was on december the 16th

602
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:10,960
2017 when luis elizondo said that there

603
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,520
are

604
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,320
exotic aircraft flying around in the u.s

605
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:16,159
airspace that are beyond the technology

606
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,960
of anything

607
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,600
that the us possesses then that was one

608
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,520
stop shot of saying it was e.t and

609
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,960
and he and he basically had said he

610
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:24,559
couldn't say it was e.t because it then

611
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,200
become

612
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,840
classified and you then get into a kind

613
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:28,799
of a political

614
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:32,640
uh military uh uh quagmire

615
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,840
but that was a significant in my mind

616
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:38,320
disclosure with a small d because it was

617
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:39,440
the first time

618
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:43,520
and obviously he had run a five-year

619
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,200
pentagon program that nobody knew about

620
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:50,400
which again addressed many questions if

621
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,440
you think about it

622
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,520
the official u.s air force stance is

623
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,520
that since the closure of plu

624
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,760
project blue book in 69 they've not

625
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,360
researched you were forced now any

626
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,919
mainstream researcher

627
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:04,400
of his of any decent knowledge will know

628
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,520
that that's been

629
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:08,240
a lie but for them to admit that there

630
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,360
was a

631
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:12,400
uh that there was such a program that

632
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,279
did not have

633
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,320
senate oversight congress oversight uh

634
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,960
was pretty interesting and what it also

635
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,720
emerged from that that was

636
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,279
even more interesting and i think louise

637
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,640
elizondor said it i think

638
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,880
uh senator harry reid said it if there's

639
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,880
one program that was uh

640
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,559
clandestine how do you know that there

641
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:32,000
are not many others

642
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,520
that are still running and i think the

643
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,360
answer is there probably is uh but

644
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,600
they're in special access programs

645
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:39,600
now you'd mention that the to the stars

646
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,640
academy and

647
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:42,240
there's also a case i know you know a

648
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,679
little bit about we're going to get into

649
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,600
more detail about that shortly

650
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,240
but there have been some reports that uh

651
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:50,400
to the stars academy

652
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,760
has received a on the ground uh sample

653
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:56,080
uh from the rendelstrom site do you know

654
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,520
anything about that have you heard about

655
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,559
that or do you know any

656
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,159
details about that that we're not aware

657
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:02,559
of i don't know

658
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:06,240
for certain what uh that alludes to

659
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,760
uh suffice to say that louise elizondo

660
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,640
when he spoke in rome a few months ago

661
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,279
and that was organized by a colleague of

662
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,279
mine roberto pernotti he was the

663
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,840
italian delegate and will be part of the

664
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,360
the chinese initiative

665
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,919
uh uh he had organised a conference and

666
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,919
louise elizondo came over

667
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,919
and mentioned this that within four

668
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,120
months uh

669
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:31,679
would they be revealing things about uh

670
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:32,559
reynolds

671
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:36,320
uh i have yet to see any credence to

672
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,120
that

673
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:40,400
um is it possible they've got some

674
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:43,600
piece of uh recovered craft

675
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,799
who knows i'm not aware of it but

676
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:48,240
suffice to say that

677
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,440
uh i think the reynoldson case uh

678
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,520
with the release of careful green will

679
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,600
will be enhanced a great deal

680
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,679
by what we've emerged from my

681
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,720
investigation

682
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,360
yeah now let's uh let's get over and dig

683
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,520
a little deeper on that cable green this

684
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,840
is a documentary that's coming out

685
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,640
later this year this summer you told me

686
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:09,600
it was a

687
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,919
a proposed release date a scheduled

688
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:12,960
release date

689
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,080
and uh brendelsham is obviously

690
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,399
one of the great cases a top 10 case all

691
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:21,200
time in my view is never had to the best

692
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,480
of my knowledge a full-fledged

693
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:24,159
documentary made about it

694
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,520
uh you're involved in it uh tell us uh

695
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,799
tell us all about it how did you get

696
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,720
involved in it and uh what can the folks

697
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,440
look forward to as far as the movie goes

698
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,640
well again that that has got a a bit of

699
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,720
a tale to it because again that came

700
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:40,799
completely out of the blue

701
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,600
uh literally what happened i'm just

702
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,440
letting my two dogs in

703
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,880
uh because they've been outside in the

704
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,200
garden right here we go

705
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,960
all right basically what happened was

706
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,120
that i got a phone call

707
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:55,200
from what turns out to be the director

708
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,799
of the documentary called

709
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,799
and he's called dion johnson who had

710
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:00,480
never heard of

711
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,000
and he basically had said that he had

712
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,360
accidentally bumped into larry warren

713
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,360
the original military whistleblower of

714
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,320
the case whilst walking round

715
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,320
uh reynolds from forest now there is a

716
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,080
trail now uh

717
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,919
for the public so they're assigned posts

718
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,000
etc there is now a proper

719
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:21,679
trail it's not that accurate but there

720
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,399
is a trail uh that the council the local

721
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,520
authority put out

722
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,279
and people go walk around it because

723
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,799
it's nice woods

724
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,679
and he'd actually bumped into him uh and

725
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,960
approached him

726
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,559
and said are you larry warren and larry

727
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,720
warren i think was a bit reticent

728
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:39,679
um and uh but he had his daughter with

729
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,240
him and

730
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:42,399
they got talking and he said i know of

731
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,520
your case i don't know

732
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,840
too much about it but i i know that

733
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,960
you're involved in

734
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,120
in this reynolds room incident and and

735
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:50,799
then he basically said

736
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,240
uh i'd like to make a documentary

737
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,600
about what happened to you and larry

738
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,640
said okay thinking probably nothing more

739
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,000
would come from this

740
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,880
uh and he gave him my number because he

741
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,080
knows i'm a reynolds

742
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:09,760
researcher in the uk and so dion rang me

743
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:13,600
now when dion rings me i'm thinking is

744
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,039
it's a proposal to get funding

745
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,440
to make a tv documentary because he said

746
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,679
he'd worked in tv blah blah blah

747
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,240
and so i'm thinking that he's ringing up

748
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,760
to try to get funding

749
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,360
and he wants me to get on board to help

750
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,600
with that so i basically said are you

751
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,559
aware of

752
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,399
the larry warren controversy at the

753
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,559
moment and he said i know a bit about it

754
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,000
i said well i think you should know

755
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,480
more about it and i said to get your

756
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:39,360
funding

757
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,559
what i would recommend is that you uh

758
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:45,039
you see if larry warren will do a uh

759
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,240
polygraph test

760
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:48,240
uh and then of course if he passes that

761
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:49,360
you'll get your funding

762
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,799
and again i'm still thinking this is

763
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,480
gonna be a tv project

764
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,760
and that's how you're going to get your

765
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,520
funding because if you passes the

766
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,640
polygraph test

767
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,240
that asserts that he was there and what

768
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,760
he said is true then

769
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,360
that would give the financial backing to

770
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:02,880
make the documentary

771
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,880
however the story then went that he said

772
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:09,360
okay then uh do you know any polygraph

773
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,080
examiners

774
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:12,240
and i said no because it it's not used

775
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,200
in the uk

776
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:14,960
by the police although it does happen

777
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:17,600
privately and there is some talk about

778
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:18,799
it coming into the police

779
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:21,520
but it isn't there yet so i said i don't

780
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,240
have any

781
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,080
knowledge of a polygraph examiner in the

782
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,039
uk uh but see if he can go find one

783
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,159
he rings me up about two weeks later

784
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,760
and he says i've got britain's top

785
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,480
polygraph examiner to do it for free

786
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,720
and i said oh that's good why for three

787
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,320
because it's something different

788
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,320
out of a normal remit and she's just

789
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,840
fascinated by

790
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:43,360
the chance to do something a little bit

791
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,640
different so her name is patty musicaro

792
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,960
she's done over she's an american lives

793
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,120
in england married to an english guy

794
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,159
and lives near london and uh

795
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,240
basically she's done over 2 000

796
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,440
polygraph tests

797
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,600
in her career she obviously has her own

798
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,679
business she's i think the

799
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,760
secretary of the british association of

800
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,120
polygraph examiners

801
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,440
forgive me for the wrong quote there but

802
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:09,200
but basically that

803
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,880
and and and basically uh

804
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:15,360
he said uh it's arranged for this day do

805
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:16,000
you want to

806
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,440
come down and get involved we're going

807
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:19,919
to film it on remote cameras

808
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,799
and so i said yeah of course fascinating

809
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,120
uh

810
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,880
and so that's what happened i went down

811
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:27,039
to london to her address

812
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,200
and uh five remote cameras were set up

813
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,760
to record the actual test when it came

814
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:34,559
to the actual

815
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,159
test um we were told to leave the house

816
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,399
and nobody by the examiner and larry

817
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,519
warren were there

818
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,519
and the cameras were just left running

819
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:44,960
and literally

820
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,000
it was about 30 35 minutes later

821
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,919
we get a phone call you can come back

822
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,039
now it's done

823
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,960
and i ain't going to go into too much

824
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,159
dear detail

825
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,840
suffice to say that you passed and you

826
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,679
pass me flying colours and that will be

827
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,120
covered in the film

828
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:01,279
obviously because we had five cameras

829
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:02,799
and that's very revealing

830
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:05,679
uh and i think a lot of people will find

831
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,399
that very very interesting

832
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,760
now uh you had mentioned that uh

833
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,760
the the controversy surrounding larry

834
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:15,440
warren now why don't you fill the folks

835
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,240
in about that

836
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,559
obviously a lot of folks are out there

837
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,480
questioning his credibility

838
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,760
regarding the case i don't think there's

839
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,919
any question he was stationed there

840
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,320
uh at one point in time i i talked to

841
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:28,000
john burroughs quite a bit i i consider

842
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,440
john a friend of mine he's been a good

843
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:32,159
friend of the show back in the day he

844
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,519
said he wasn't sure

845
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,440
if larry was there at all but now he's

846
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:37,360
of the opinion that larry simply wasn't

847
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,159
there it was

848
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:40,000
remember the case is right before

849
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,679
christmas time and that larry actually

850
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,039
wasn't even at the base

851
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,440
at christmas time that he was on leave

852
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,039
so i wanted to tell us a little bit

853
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,760
about the the controversy surrounding

854
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,159
larry's credibility

855
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,519
well what you've got to understand is

856
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:55,039
that larry warren was the original

857
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,320
military whistleblower

858
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,760
who came forward to talk about the case

859
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,519
and i'm saying military listen although

860
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,760
there were civilian investigators

861
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:05,760
uh brenda butler and dot street and then

862
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,799
jenny randalls

863
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,799
who researched it from the uk point of

864
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,600
view early on literally from within days

865
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,039
yeah if you don't if you don't mind let

866
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,480
me jump in i did get some background

867
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,919
from john on this uh the word

868
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,159
about the incident actually got out very

869
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,240
quickly because the base security

870
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:23,200
contacted the local police uh for their

871
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,919
help

872
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,240
in what was going on and that showed up

873
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:27,919
in the police logs and the press picked

874
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,320
it up

875
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,240
very quickly so the news of the actual

876
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,000
incident got out very quickly uh

877
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,360
is that about right uh not really

878
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,600
in the sense of yes the police were

879
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:38,720
contacted

880
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:41,840
by the base but those records were

881
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:45,120
confirmed only many months later

882
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:49,519
the i think the first newspaper clipping

883
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:53,120
jenny randalls was may of 2000 uh

884
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,640
may of 1981 but within days within a

885
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:57,760
couple of days

886
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:01,440
uh brenda had been told by some security

887
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:02,480
police person

888
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,600
who i know that it who that is uh uh

889
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,840
who used the pseudonym of steve roberts

890
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,839
he basically told her that an incident

891
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,800
in the field

892
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,560
in a farmer's field had occurred were

893
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:13,839
and there had been

894
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,679
uh entities seen in a landed craft

895
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:20,000
and that senior officers had turned up

896
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,760
which is exactly what larry warren

897
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,399
said several years later a couple years

898
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,440
later

899
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,159
but the way larry became the original

900
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:29,520
military whistleblower

901
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,359
is acknowledged uh by everyone uh

902
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,280
and what people tried to say that he

903
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:37,119
wasn't but the reality is this

904
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:40,480
is that in 1982 larry warren

905
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,359
read a newspaper report uh he was living

906
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:44,960
in the states at that time

907
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,919
and he read about the betty andreas

908
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,359
abduction story

909
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,119
and it turned out that they were living

910
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,359
bob and betty luca as they are now

911
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:56,079
uh she married uh bob luca uh we're

912
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:56,800
living

913
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,000
states at that time

914
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:02,320
and so he rang and he said that he

915
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,040
worked

916
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,000
at some factory or some place and so he

917
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:07,680
rang the place and eventually got to

918
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,400
speak

919
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:11,440
with uh bob luca and and bob lu and he

920
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,800
kind of explained that something had

921
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,800
happened to him while he was in england

922
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:17,200
and so bob luke invited him to go see

923
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:18,000
betsy

924
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,280
uh and basically from that

925
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,520
he told them the same story that he told

926
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,760
now the capo green scenario

927
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,839
the landed craft the beans the meeting

928
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:28,880
with senior officers

929
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,400
it was filmed etc he basically told

930
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:34,480
them about it and they said well we know

931
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:35,599
a connecticut

932
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,560
uh detective called uh larry fawcett who

933
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,560
was making a book called clear intent

934
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,000
with barry greenwood

935
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:45,359
uh and up until that time so we're

936
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,240
talking

937
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,960
82 when he meets bob and betty uh and

938
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,560
it's early 83

939
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:53,280
up until that time there were rumors of

940
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,400
military people

941
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,880
being there nobody knew about the memo

942
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:58,960
absolutely nobody knew that a memo had

943
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,599
been written

944
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,359
you're talking about the halt memo now

945
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:03,920
the whole memo that was really

946
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:06,079
something that caught everybody by

947
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,960
surprise

948
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:09,200
but the way it came out was

949
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:10,720
inadvertently

950
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,079
triggered because of larry fawcett

951
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,599
speaking to larry warren

952
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,119
as soon as larry warren said i'm

953
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,599
prepared to go public with this

954
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,760
then he knew that he had a definite

955
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:22,640
witness

956
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,680
that he could then go to cause

957
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:28,160
obviously the the agency that managed to

958
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:28,800
get the

959
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:32,000
uh the memo released but nobody knew

960
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,040
there was a memo

961
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,960
but on the strength of knowing that he

962
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:37,040
had a definite witness who said i was

963
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,520
there

964
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,680
on that time and here's my name and was

965
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,839
prepared to go public

966
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:44,320
on the strength of that they knew that

967
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,520
there should be some kind of

968
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:46,800
documentation

969
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,680
and i think what happens is they do it

970
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,960
because they've written and written

971
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,160
trying to get everything

972
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,599
and the americans had stalled the

973
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,760
british had stalled no aim for any

974
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:57,280
documents whatsoever

975
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,720
but then after that after that that then

976
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,160
did another troll

977
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,200
of the military systems and it turned up

978
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,440
had been retrieved by the america

979
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,119
americans had kept a copy

980
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:12,000
not the british and they admitted that

981
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,200
there was a memo

982
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,359
and that's how it came to be released

983
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,119
larry warren certainly didn't know that

984
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:18,480
there's a memo being written he was an

985
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,520
airman first class

986
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,119
why would he know he was the lowest of

987
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:23,760
the low he was just arrived on the base

988
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,240
but suffice to say that inadvertently

989
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,160
through talking to larry fawcett

990
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:31,040
that's how the memo troll uh well the

991
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,359
the

992
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,400
happened again

993
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:36,079
and it threw up the memorandum and then

994
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,520
of course the memorandum

995
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,320
uh it becomes one of the top five

996
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:42,000
military documents in the world i would

997
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:42,560
say

998
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,829
um uh gary i had a question for you

999
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,640
about the

1000
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,760
cable green story um can you share a

1001
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,079
little bit more about that

1002
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:59,040
yeah yeah i mean in fact i just realized

1003
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,440
that

1004
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,359
to to answer this the second part of

1005
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:03,599
your point about the controversy

1006
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,160
when larry warren came forward

1007
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,480
essentially the story brought publicly

1008
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:10,400
in the news of the world

1009
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,839
in october of 1983 this was a story that

1010
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,599
was never meant to get out

1011
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:18,079
and this was a story that should have

1012
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:19,119
never got out

1013
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,960
if you listen to the americans listen to

1014
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:22,640
the british military

1015
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:26,079
and uh uh civilian in terms of

1016
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,640
government

1017
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,720
nobody wanted that to come out nobody

1018
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,040
even really outside of the base knew

1019
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,040
that that would be

1020
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,680
that comes out that then confirms that

1021
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,520
they've been a serious incident

1022
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:39,440
and holt in the memorial is an

1023
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:40,560
incredible

1024
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:44,240
uh uh piece of paper because it's only

1025
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,359
three paragraphs

1026
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,440
but admittedly it says on the first

1027
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,040
paragraph that there's been a landed

1028
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:50,800
triangular craft in the forest

1029
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,440
which is the first night hulk punished

1030
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,920
penicillin burrows and kobanzak

1031
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,760
which we all know about and then it

1032
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,520
alludes that two nights later

1033
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,200
there was another incident that involved

1034
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,280
holt himself and a team going out

1035
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:05,920
and seen multiple ufos so this was

1036
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,800
pretty

1037
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,440
amazing document now the controversy is

1038
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:10,960
that larry came out

1039
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:14,960
and immediately uh the ufo community

1040
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:18,240
of that era when he started talking

1041
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,720
about

1042
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,800
the landing craft entities that it was

1043
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,079
being filmed

1044
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:24,320
he was being told when you go to ufo

1045
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,280
conferences

1046
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,359
well you can't mention entities you

1047
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,880
can't mention aliens that's

1048
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,800
that's a bit too far for us well

1049
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,920
nowadays it's

1050
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,680
it's very common because we're well

1051
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,680
aware of the abduction phenomena etc

1052
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,880
but not in 1983 when he went public

1053
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:41,520
and he was uh he would be he wanted to

1054
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:42,079
talk about

1055
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:43,680
certain things and then he was told by

1056
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:46,480
the organist organizers you cannot talk

1057
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,200
about that

1058
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,800
so he would not know whether he was

1059
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,720
coming or going with the ufo community

1060
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,680
for a long while but essentially when

1061
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,640
this came out

1062
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,880
right from the off as soon as halt

1063
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,680
retired

1064
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,480
he became offensive and said uh

1065
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:02,160
basically larry warren's just a

1066
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,599
charlotte and he was busted out

1067
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,760
he did drugs blah blah blah tried to put

1068
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,480
him out as a dubious character

1069
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,560
over the time it wasn't long after that

1070
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:11,839
around the uh

1071
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,800
the time of penniston and burroughs

1072
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:15,839
coming out

1073
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,319
they immediately said no no we story

1074
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,079
don't add up blah blah blah

1075
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,920
it doesn't sit well with the rest of us

1076
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:24,319
well that's how he was for many many

1077
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,040
years

1078
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,079
but larry warren's book and story of the

1079
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,560
landed craft the capable green scenario

1080
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,720
is basically he's picked up from a

1081
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,000
perimeter post

1082
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,760
he's told to get in the back of a truck

1083
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,119
close his post down

1084
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:39,359
they then go on to the base look for

1085
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,880
light holes which are big lighty

1086
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,640
portable lighting generators

1087
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,119
to light up the forest uh they go to the

1088
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,960
motor pool to collect those they go into

1089
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:47,839
the forest

1090
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,560
and then he is then told to go with

1091
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,400
others small groups

1092
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,800
into uh through the forest and then ends

1093
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,520
up

1094
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,200
at the edge of a farmer's field it's the

1095
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,720
same as farmers field

1096
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,359
that hulk follows the craft through and

1097
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:03,200
it's the same farmers field

1098
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,720
there's the farmhouse on the opposite

1099
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,640
side 300 meters away

1100
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:09,200
but different location larry warren will

1101
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,480
say when he got

1102
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,640
to the edge of the field uh there was a

1103
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,760
mist on the ground about

1104
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,079
50 feet off the ground 50 feet in

1105
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,160
diameter that was maybe

1106
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:21,760
a foot uh 30 centimeters 12 inches off

1107
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,480
the ground

1108
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:24,720
and it was like uh just hugging in a

1109
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,520
circle

1110
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,880
along the ground there were security

1111
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,960
policemen already personnel

1112
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,960
already out there there was a guy

1113
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,200
filming it on the right hand side of the

1114
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:35,520
of these personnel uh and the right-hand

1115
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,640
side of the mist

1116
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,480
and then basically what he will say is

1117
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,200
that he is told to go into the field

1118
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:44,079
with sergeant adrian bustinza goes into

1119
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,119
the field

1120
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:46,960
and then basically they're told to move

1121
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:49,760
closer to the mist and then suddenly

1122
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,880
he hears over the radio here it comes

1123
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,720
and then he sees a red light coming in

1124
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,240
from the direction of the sea

1125
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,960
it stops over the mist it's about the

1126
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:00,720
size of a basketball

1127
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,480
beach ball it stops over the yellow mist

1128
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,839
and then suddenly there's an explosion

1129
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,920
of light when his eyes readjust

1130
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,240
where the mist had been there is now a

1131
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:11,839
30 foot wide

1132
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,079
uh diamond shirt morphing type of

1133
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,520
craft in front of him okay

1134
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,000
finish up gary sorry about that yeah no

1135
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:23,839
so basically the controversy

1136
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,359
comes from this account uh and it's

1137
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,839
people have said in particular over the

1138
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,280
last three years

1139
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,200
they've tried to write him out of it but

1140
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:35,119
there's very good reasons why people

1141
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,760
would

1142
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:38,480
uh try to write him out of it if it were

1143
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:39,200
true

1144
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,640
and what i'm saying to you is my

1145
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:42,640
research which will be revealed in the

1146
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,200
film

1147
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,520
will show this was indeed true and there

1148
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,280
are many many confirmations

1149
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:49,839
of the careful green scenario and of

1150
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,319
course

1151
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,560
one of the witnesses that will be

1152
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,400
featured in the documentary

1153
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,319
as has already been revealed in one of

1154
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:58,240
the trailers we'll say he was out in the

1155
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,880
forest

1156
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,400
and he'd been through training with him

1157
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:02,480
so he recognized him in the forest that

1158
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:03,040
night

1159
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,560
that's a that's done and dusted we're

1160
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,760
going to put this to bed

1161
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:09,680
but there's so much more to come out of

1162
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,400
this story and what i would say to you

1163
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,599
is are there good reasons why the

1164
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,200
americans and the british

1165
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:20,319
would not want this story if it were

1166
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,440
true to come out

1167
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,400
and the obvious answer is yes would the

1168
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,359
americans

1169
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,560
and the british want the base commander

1170
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,560
of a nuclear strike base

1171
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,440
we've got multiple uh confirmations on

1172
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,280
films it's a nuclear base

1173
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:37,040
by military personnel that will be in

1174
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,560
the film

1175
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:41,440
multiple confirmations it's a nuclear

1176
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:41,920
base

1177
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,359
and approaches the craft where there is

1178
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,839
three small entities whatever you want

1179
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,960
to call them

1180
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,920
uh floating next to this translucent

1181
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,800
craft

1182
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,960
and that there is some kind of silent

1183
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,920
communication

1184
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,520
or a face off for one of a better

1185
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:03,280
expression it sounds like

1186
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,880
star trek however if that were true

1187
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,040
think about it the nuclear-based

1188
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:12,880
commander meeting with entities

1189
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,160
in a field at a time of heightened cold

1190
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,520
war tensions

1191
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,440
do you not think that that would be a

1192
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:20,880
pretty major story

1193
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,839
if it were true so when you say yeah the

1194
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:25,280
base commander you mean halt is that

1195
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,839
correct

1196
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:28,319
oh no no i'm saying colonel williams

1197
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:29,599
williams okay okay

1198
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,720
okay i know what you mean all right let

1199
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,960
me say this i believe halt was there too

1200
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,960
okay let's talk about that in the in the

1201
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,079
documentary so

1202
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:40,400
this is a complicated case so let's try

1203
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:41,359
to clear this

1204
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,200
little bit you've got one sighting

1205
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,160
involving burrows peniston and i believe

1206
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,079
one or two other individuals

1207
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:52,079
on the first sighting is that about

1208
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:53,599
right

1209
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:57,040
essentially the accepted story

1210
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,160
is that there's a sighting off

1211
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,560
about over the woods by the east gate

1212
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,079
about 300 meters away

1213
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:07,680
from the east gate people go out there

1214
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:10,640
which is kabanzak penis and burroughs

1215
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,599
okay

1216
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,440
trees and eventually find a landing

1217
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:15,359
craft well it's a landed

1218
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:18,560
triangular craft to jim peniston but

1219
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,119
from jim

1220
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,800
john borough's point of view it's a bank

1221
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,240
of lights he doesn't see it as a

1222
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:23,520
structured craft

1223
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,560
uh john burroughs uh and

1224
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,480
ed cabanza will say that all three

1225
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,160
remain together all the time

1226
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,640
jim peniston will say that commander was

1227
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,680
pushed further back

1228
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:35,760
to act as a radio relay so you've got

1229
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,880
all these different things but the

1230
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,800
accepted story

1231
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,040
over all the last 30 odd years of

1232
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,720
reporting by tv

1233
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,640
and you say about documentaries there's

1234
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:47,359
been about 50 to 60 documentaries done

1235
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,160
worldwide

1236
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,240
on reynolds there are many many tv

1237
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,520
documentaries done

1238
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:53,359
so there is a wealth of material but

1239
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,560
none have ever really

1240
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:57,200
showed the true story and that's there's

1241
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,720
reasons why that is

1242
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,440
uh and that can we talk about that later

1243
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,280
but essentially the first night

1244
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,400
is is uh peniston boros kabanza the

1245
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:08,400
second night which nobody knew about for

1246
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,280
many years

1247
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,440
we now refer to as lieutenant bonnie

1248
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:14,000
tamplin who was the shift commander

1249
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:17,920
something happened to her that was so uh

1250
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,119
scary that she uh was had to go

1251
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,680
off sick uh taken off duty and then was

1252
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,040
[\h__\h] back to the states

1253
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:27,359
never went back on shift we'll talk

1254
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:28,240
about that

1255
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,920
uh in great detail in capable green

1256
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,640
for the first time the story emerges uh

1257
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,079
and what we'll also

1258
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,079
be talking about is then the accepted

1259
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,160
what's classed as the third night

1260
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:43,200
which is the halt uh night going out

1261
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,319
with the team

1262
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,400
uh and then also it's the crossover

1263
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,640
night that if you believe the larry

1264
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,839
warren story

1265
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:52,160
it's running more or less parallel at

1266
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,359
the same time

1267
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,680
or certainly within parts of the same

1268
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,560
night

1269
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:58,319
yeah and you're saying that uh base

1270
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,599
commander williams was

1271
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,680
also out there at the same time or this

1272
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,839
was uh even a separate and a part

1273
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:06,000
uh sighting that he had he was involved

1274
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,040
with

1275
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:09,119
he was called out as the if you you're

1276
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,640
the base commander

1277
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,400
and you have some incident where you

1278
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:15,280
have multiple security police on british

1279
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,079
soil

1280
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,319
running around and they are reporting

1281
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,440
ufos which is what the case was

1282
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,599
and undoubtedly it would have been fed

1283
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,119
back to the base commander

1284
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,520
he turns up it's believed he turns up

1285
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,359
with other senior officers

1286
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:31,359
goes into the field and has this

1287
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,400
scenario

1288
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,559
now we'll talk about but this uh this

1289
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,400
sighting is separate and apart from the

1290
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,079
halt sighting where he had

1291
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,880
you know a team okay okay you

1292
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,720
essentially think of

1293
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:45,920
uh williams being involved in the

1294
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,640
the capitol green larry warren scenario

1295
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,480
uh he's the only person

1296
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,880
uh along with adrian bustinza that will

1297
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,680
say

1298
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,440
that colonel williams was there all

1299
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,359
right suffice to say

1300
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,319
that that is not part of halt's story

1301
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,240
but what's going to emerge is that for

1302
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:03,839
the first time we're going to reveal all

1303
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:04,720
of the facts

1304
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:09,520
we move into the controversy

1305
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:12,880
i think the real controversy stems from

1306
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,240
we cannot have this young upstart airman

1307
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,920
telling the truth about what really

1308
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,440
happened in that field

1309
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,599
because if that happens that could be a

1310
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,640
game changer

1311
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:25,200
and we'll get so much heat and this

1312
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,720
could be a major game changer for the

1313
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,839
ufo field

1314
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:29,839
imagine what i'm saying is if the

1315
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,079
scenario was indeed true

1316
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,480
that colonel williams as then colonel

1317
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:36,240
went out the base commander of a nuclear

1318
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,800
base

1319
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,119
met with entities or had a face off with

1320
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,640
entities in a field so

1321
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,680
grounded and was filmed on motion

1322
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:44,800
picture footage

1323
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,480
in cine and on early video and larry was

1324
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,319
the only one that ever said that

1325
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:52,559
there are many confirmations of that now

1326
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,680
taking place

1327
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,440
that will be revealed in the film that i

1328
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,839
can't reveal now

1329
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,839
that scenario which i believe is

1330
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,280
absolutely true

1331
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:04,000
that is why larry warren got so much

1332
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,040
grief because

1333
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:07,200
people are covering up and do not want

1334
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,400
they're happy to have

1335
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,760
hulk running around out there they're

1336
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,839
happy to talk about pedestrian boroughs

1337
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:14,400
they can't contain that because the memo

1338
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,040
came out

1339
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,880
accidentally that's out in the public

1340
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,319
domain okay

1341
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,040
so they can't do anything the cat so

1342
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,640
what you're suggesting here is that

1343
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,319
there's something of a limited hangout

1344
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,480
regarding this case

1345
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:28,559
there is a little cover up i'm not

1346
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,079
suggesting a hangout i'm saying

1347
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,839
there is an automatic cover-up goes in

1348
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,160
and if you're a whistleblower it

1349
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,839
generally doesn't end wealthy if you

1350
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,119
think of snowden

1351
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,000
uh people like that uh julian assange

1352
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,760
whistleblowers pay a heavy price

1353
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:45,440
and i think larry warren has paid a very

1354
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,960
heavy price now to compound that

1355
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,359
is that two and a half three years ago

1356
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:53,119
his number one supporter

1357
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,720
who was an online lady

1358
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,640
she was his number one fan for nine

1359
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,760
years

1360
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,839
uh wrong radio show saying get him on

1361
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,119
get him on he's the best thing about

1362
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,800
reynolds get him on get him on she

1363
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,920
really hounded people

1364
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,760
in a positive way getting money is the

1365
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:09,119
best thing about reynolds

1366
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,319
suddenly she goes 180 degrees

1367
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,000
the other way to become somebody who

1368
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,680
wants to destroy larry warren

1369
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,760
don't really know why but that's what's

1370
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,359
happened and she then

1371
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,440
begins uh to lead a number of other

1372
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,720
people in the uk

1373
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,880
to try to say he's not there he's lying

1374
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,480
this that and the other uh

1375
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,720
he's lied about even waking up in the

1376
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,559
morning basically just

1377
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,480
so obsessed putting material out

1378
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,000
material out material out

1379
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,839
so over the last two and a half to three

1380
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:37,599
years there is a

1381
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,119
huge body of uh

1382
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:44,000
by about 50 individuals mainly about

1383
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:45,040
four or five

1384
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:48,800
hardcore about 20 of a group of about 50

1385
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,680
in the uk there are bombarding radio

1386
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:53,280
stations saying he's a liar this has

1387
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,079
been proved

1388
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:56,160
now when i got involved a couple of

1389
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,520
years ago

1390
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,359
uh through accidentally through being

1391
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,119
asked to do purple green

1392
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,000
i looked at their evidence and literally

1393
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,599
i'd been a detective

1394
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,760
for 19 years i knew what police evidence

1395
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,839
was a police officer for 24 years

1396
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,440
a detective i was an advanced

1397
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,200
interviewer of suspects and witnesses

1398
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,839
i was well used to looking at evidence

1399
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,839
in documentary form written evidence

1400
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:20,079
and when i looked at all of the evidence

1401
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,599
it didn't stack up

1402
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:24,720
but it was persuasive for people who

1403
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,160
didn't know the law yeah i could

1404
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,839
understand how some people would be

1405
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,640
taken in

1406
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,400
and i actually think that peter robbins

1407
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,680
was taken in

1408
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:36,079
and he thought that oh larry warren is

1409
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,800
going down

1410
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,960
so i'm going to jump ship and sadly he

1411
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:39,839
jumped ship

1412
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,880
but what was it about the evidence uh uh

1413
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,400
that was uh presented

1414
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,079
that you had a problem with it and let's

1415
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,599
talk about that evidence there were

1416
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,960
uh some photoshopping of a warren into

1417
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,319
photographs with

1418
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,920
john lennon there was some other

1419
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,839
material i wanted to talk about that a

1420
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:56,720
little bit

1421
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,520
and uh what raised the red flags for you

1422
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,760
well what do you mean by red flags i

1423
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,599
don't have a red flag do i think larry

1424
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:07,119
warren was involved in reynolds from

1425
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:08,960
absolutely 100

1426
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,680
do you i'm not sure that's why i'm

1427
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,800
asking you

1428
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,800
well well let me tell you when i've

1429
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,240
looked at the evidence

1430
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:18,480
uh that was presented by this so-called

1431
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:19,839
group it didn't add up

1432
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,880
uh for example one uh guy

1433
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:25,599
uh who who was part of that group of

1434
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:26,559
four

1435
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,599
he contacted me and said uh

1436
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,520
he's manipulated some of his military

1437
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,839
records bear in mind he did not have any

1438
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,760
original records to check with he just

1439
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,280
took photographs

1440
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:39,839
uh off off the computer basically screen

1441
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,480
grabs

1442
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,720
and from that he had said oh no he's

1443
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,920
changed the signatures

1444
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,559
blah blah blah so when he showed me this

1445
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,480
before looking into it i said

1446
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:51,119
are you a police accredited handwriting

1447
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,760
expert

1448
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,160
and he went no i said well that means

1449
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:56,000
that your evidence does not count as

1450
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:56,720
evidence at

1451
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,920
all i cannot give medical opinion about

1452
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,440
somebody for a brain injury

1453
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,760
unless i'm a brain neurosurgeon you have

1454
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,839
to be an expert in your field and it's

1455
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,200
the same in the police

1456
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,359
so anybody who claims to have and

1457
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,200
writing expert if you've just done it

1458
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:13,200
because it's a bit of a hobby of yours

1459
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,640
unless you're an accredited police

1460
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,800
handwriting expert that is not evidence

1461
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,079
it doesn't stack up

1462
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,200
yeah and basically it was never done

1463
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:23,040
against original documents

1464
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,839
during the course of my investigation

1465
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,880
i've checked

1466
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:28,960
larry warren's documents and many of

1467
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,160
them are in double and triplicate

1468
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,240
which obviously all they had was a

1469
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:36,319
screen grab and believe me they're all

1470
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,119
genuine

1471
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,440
so that doesn't add up so that's the

1472
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,359
kind of story that you get

1473
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:43,920
now the problem that comes with these

1474
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,640
people

1475
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,960
and it is a definite campaign and if

1476
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:47,760
anybody

1477
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:50,319
is interested to know about how this

1478
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:50,960
group

1479
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:54,079
works then i did a pdf investigation

1480
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,640
document

1481
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,720
called winter is here and if they email

1482
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,920
me at hazeltinegarry

1483
00:54:01,190 --> 00:54:00,240
hotmail.com i will gladly send it to

1484
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,200
them and it's their

1485
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,680
own words screen grabs by them put out

1486
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,040
on public prominent

1487
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:07,040
facebook comments it's their own words

1488
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:08,720
and that you'll see what these people

1489
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,520
are like

1490
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:12,160
but the problem is anybody that

1491
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,359
disagrees

1492
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:16,160
with their so-called evidence then

1493
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,440
becomes targeted

1494
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,280
so as soon as i said well your evidence

1495
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,359
doesn't stack up since then

1496
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:24,400
they effing blind about me swear about

1497
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,800
me

1498
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,359
i'm a liar a con man of fraud do you

1499
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:29,520
think that's acceptable frank chan

1500
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:31,119
uh i wouldn't accept that if it weren't

1501
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:32,480
uh i wouldn't accept that even if it

1502
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,680
were true but if it weren't i

1503
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,760
certainly wouldn't accept it so i'm i'm

1504
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:37,359
sorry i'm given verbal abuse the

1505
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,000
magazine

1506
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:40,720
is derogatory comments you're this that

1507
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:41,359
and the other

1508
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,480
do you think that's acceptable uh

1509
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,559
no even if you disagree about something

1510
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,400
you shouldn't be disappointed about it

1511
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,880
so in reality frank and chan what you're

1512
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,000
saying is that we have

1513
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:54,240
normal civility uh we can have

1514
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,760
disagreements especially all the

1515
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,760
politics religion etc

1516
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,240
but we'll agree to disagree well here's

1517
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,079
the difference with this group of people

1518
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:04,079
if you disagree with them you then

1519
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,119
become the enemy

1520
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,799
and then you become targeted for

1521
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,960
personal abuse and this is what i keep

1522
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:10,240
kicking off about

1523
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,359
because it's unacceptable in any subject

1524
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,920
in any walk of life you cannot go around

1525
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:18,079
calling people an f in this and f in

1526
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,559
that

1527
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,640
just because you disagree with their

1528
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,480
opinion you have to be

1529
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,960
civilized and agree to disagree and this

1530
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,280
is a massive problem for social media

1531
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,839
people are committing suicide teenagers

1532
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,839
have been bombarded with images from

1533
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,960
instagram things like that

1534
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,440
and so people commit suicide so social

1535
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,599
media needs to get its act together

1536
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:40,000
and there needs to be a reform because

1537
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,359
if you have to use

1538
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,000
personal abuse which is what i've got

1539
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,760
for the last two and a half years

1540
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,240
from these people just for standing up

1541
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,720
and saying i disagree with you

1542
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:53,280
then it is wrong and people should count

1543
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:54,000
them out

1544
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,839
that's unacceptable

1545
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,760
here's the problem frank and chance that

1546
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,280
the ufo community

1547
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,760
does not call them out why because

1548
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:05,280
they're so frightened that they might

1549
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,920
get the

1550
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:08,079
torrent of abuse themselves so what does

1551
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,200
that tell you about

1552
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:11,119
some of the people in our hierarchy of

1553
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,880
ufology many of them

1554
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:15,280
are weak and they will not who could

1555
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,079
make a difference

1556
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,160
and say this is unacceptable if you've

1557
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,680
gotten a point you put it out

1558
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,760
you put it out there fine you can have a

1559
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,200
disagreement i'm happy

1560
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,799
for skepticism and this that and the

1561
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,640
other but you do it in a civil way

1562
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,400
then you should not target people with

1563
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,240
abuse because you don't agree

1564
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,319
well this is how that group operates so

1565
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,240
if you want to mix with those people

1566
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,720
then that's fine and believe me the

1567
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:38,880
people that now mix with them regularly

1568
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:41,359
sadly are peter robbins who joins in on

1569
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,559
that abuse

1570
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:44,480
not through direct personal abuse but

1571
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,920
joins in on their strings

1572
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,680
and he's quite happily when they're

1573
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,839
targeting me to go along and call them

1574
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:50,720
friends

1575
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,839
nick pope who i was always affable with

1576
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,680
known him for many years had dinner with

1577
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,040
him sat across him

1578
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,160
one to one and dinner with him uh he is

1579
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:02,559
now saying i should be arrested

1580
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:05,599
for perpetrating a hoax on the ufo

1581
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,480
community

1582
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:09,040
well why would i do that frank why would

1583
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,760
i do that

1584
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,240
why would i risk my reputation something

1585
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,000
that i tried to develop

1586
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,880
since 2002 with the police database why

1587
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:18,720
would i do that unless i had absolute

1588
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,680
conviction

1589
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:21,920
that the evidence that i'd accumulated

1590
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:22,880
was genuine

1591
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,839
so why would he get use it and he has

1592
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:27,839
used recently personal abuse

1593
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,400
against me for the first time so not

1594
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,839
only is he saying i should be arrested

1595
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,880
he's now using

1596
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,599
personal abuse and i said that is

1597
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,200
unacceptable frank

1598
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,520
and that should be unacceptable for

1599
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,280
everybody in ufology

1600
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,680
one but the real motive is why the real

1601
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:44,960
question is why

1602
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:47,839
why that is odd for nick because he does

1603
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,119
have a

1604
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,359
like him or not or i think he brings

1605
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,880
good material or not

1606
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,119
uh he's got a long track record of being

1607
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,680
a civil guy

1608
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,760
he's not now and i can show you the

1609
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:01,599
documentary evidence that proves that if

1610
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,720
you wish me to do that

1611
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,240
i can send you the links and you can put

1612
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:06,160
that up on your your links after the

1613
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,559
show

1614
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,480
i'm quite happy i've got the evidence

1615
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:10,480
can prove that but the point is

1616
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,599
these people are all heavily involved

1617
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,839
with the team of trolls well well let me

1618
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:17,119
let me turn around the other way you

1619
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,520
said

1620
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,119
why would uh why would you do this uh

1621
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,520
why you you're saying that uh

1622
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:24,160
you're basically accusing nick of being

1623
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,440
part of a cover-up and that's

1624
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,119
why he's engaging in this abuse is that

1625
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:29,359
about right or am i wrong on that

1626
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:32,079
well i i think the obvious answer to

1627
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:32,799
that is

1628
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:36,000
indirectly yes um why would he go

1629
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,280
from somebody that had always been

1630
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,119
affable with me to now saying i should

1631
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:41,040
be arrested laughable with everybody not

1632
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,680
just you

1633
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,280
i mean i think he's pretty well known

1634
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:45,119
for that but but why

1635
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,640
but why would he do that why would he

1636
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,240
become abusive now

1637
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,079
and it doesn't make sense like you say

1638
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,240
is a very soft-spoken guy normally

1639
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:54,319
and that's the nick i knew until about

1640
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:55,520
18 months ago

1641
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:58,480
when he then started regularly mixing on

1642
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,200
online

1643
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:01,599
uh discussions with these trolls so he's

1644
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:02,640
associated

1645
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,079
and what's sadly behind this even more

1646
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,280
is that they report back to colonel hull

1647
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:12,079
the trolls uh direct link to colonel

1648
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,559
holt

1649
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,319
who doesn't get involved himself he

1650
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,640
oversees it but he is good friends with

1651
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:18,559
all of these people who are

1652
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,760
dishing out abuse to myself to anyone

1653
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,920
who has me on a show something like that

1654
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,440
they ring up the radio show

1655
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,920
you can't have him on there he's a liar

1656
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:29,119
a con man or a fraud

1657
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,720
i mean is that normal behavior and the

1658
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,400
answer is no

1659
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:34,480
but the question is this is the way they

1660
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:36,400
operate and it's wrong and

1661
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,760
unfortunately the ufo community

1662
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,480
have been allowed them to do this in

1663
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,520
such a way

1664
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,760
that many people have privately told me

1665
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,119
you run magazines

1666
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,040
oh yeah we agree with you gary but we

1667
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,359
don't want to face the abuse ourselves

1668
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,839
well i can only speak for myself and

1669
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:55,680
think that i'm disappointed

1670
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:58,000
that if they'd have acted strongly very

1671
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,799
early on

1672
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:01,200
two years ago none of this abuse that

1673
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:02,319
has been going on

1674
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:05,440
daily for two years towards me

1675
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,799
towards larry for three years four years

1676
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,240
he shouldn't it should have been ruled

1677
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:12,160
out straight from the off if the

1678
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:15,599
people who were in place magazine orders

1679
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,799
organizers radio shows etc had said no

1680
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,400
that's an acceptable behavior if you've

1681
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,160
got a point raise it

1682
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:24,319
but let's not behave like that and that

1683
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:25,520
should have been the

1684
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:28,400
response from the ufo community so the

1685
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:29,920
so-called

1686
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:32,000
evidence doesn't stack up to answer your

1687
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,119
question uh

1688
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,799
and that will all be revealed in the

1689
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,240
film uh

1690
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:38,559
and honestly i'm not gonna put my name

1691
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,440
to this

1692
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:41,760
unless i felt that it was absolutely

1693
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:43,280
genuine and the evidence that i will

1694
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,319
produce

1695
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:47,200
as the co-writer and researcher will

1696
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:47,599
show

1697
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,799
that it's very real uh and larry warren

1698
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,559
has paid a very high price

1699
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:55,040
for telling the truth now there are

1700
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,720
other witnesses uh from

1701
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,240
rendelsham in the moment that are

1702
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,240
involved in this film i saw a couple of

1703
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:02,720
gentlemen and i recognized lori refelt

1704
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,440
so uh can you tell can you id the other

1705
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:07,280
two gentlemen who you interviewed were

1706
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:08,240
witnesses and

1707
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:09,520
uh can you tell us a little bit about

1708
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,359
laurie's involvement

1709
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:14,000
well laurie laurie has a very good case

1710
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,040
herself from

1711
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,000
february of 1980 so some 10 months

1712
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,160
before the late december sightings

1713
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:22,640
and she has been talking about this

1714
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,680
openly on

1715
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,319
social media for a long time but

1716
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:28,799
essentially she's been shunned by the

1717
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:31,599
principal people that you can talk about

1718
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,160
who were

1719
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,480
well associated with the case uh it

1720
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,240
didn't take place in december therefore

1721
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:37,680
it's not part of anything

1722
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:41,359
however in making purple green

1723
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:44,559
we realized or we came across three

1724
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:47,839
what i would call three precursor cases

1725
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:50,799
that are actually uh i think telling a

1726
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:51,680
story

1727
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:54,799
about the ufo involvement uh that leads

1728
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,520
up to the december sightings so

1729
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:59,599
we cover laurie's sighting in a

1730
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,640
re-enactment

1731
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,799
which has never been done before uh in

1732
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,960
four this is also at rendelsham now even

1733
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:06,720
though it didn't happen oh yeah

1734
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:08,799
they're all windows from related events

1735
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:09,760
um but

1736
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,039
they just pre-date what we accept as the

1737
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:16,160
uh rfi which is late december of 1980.

1738
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,880
so you've got lorries in february and

1739
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:20,720
then we've got an incident

1740
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:23,039
uh with michael stacy smith who was in

1741
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,079
one of the trailers

1742
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,319
you'll see him with a big m60 machine

1743
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:29,760
gun and he had an incident on base

1744
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:32,400
this is on base close to the weapon

1745
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,280
storage area uh he had an incident

1746
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,440
which will be revealed in full but

1747
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:39,119
you've seen a snip that he's involved

1748
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,240
and that's in the

1749
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:42,559
the summer and then there is a november

1750
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:43,280
sighting

1751
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,000
which is being reenacted and we're not

1752
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:48,319
releasing his details yet but there is

1753
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,760
another sighting

1754
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:52,240
with somebody and then what the one of

1755
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:53,039
the trailers

1756
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,799
shows is uh steve longero uh who is uh

1757
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,559
went through training with larry warren

1758
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,160
coming forward uh

1759
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,200
saying that he'd seen beams from a uf

1760
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:05,119
force scanning into the weapon storage

1761
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:05,680
area

1762
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:08,799
and significantly he was inside as a

1763
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,000
security policeman

1764
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:12,319
inside the nuclear weapons storage area

1765
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:13,680
when this is taking place

1766
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:16,880
so that is dynamite and as nobody's ever

1767
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:17,520
said

1768
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:19,839
to a name nobody's ever put their name

1769
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,559
to it

1770
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:23,119
has been inside seeing the ufo shining

1771
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:24,079
it so that's going to

1772
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:26,079
emerge the full details and that is an

1773
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:27,359
amazing story

1774
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:30,400
uh that has got many other aspects to it

1775
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:33,440
that will be revealed in careful green

1776
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:36,160
um i just wanted to break in and um ask

1777
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:37,680
a question that might be a little

1778
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:38,880
different

1779
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,240
uh moving along jim peniston who is a

1780
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:44,160
contributor to

1781
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:47,599
your using you said in the latest

1782
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:52,400
issue of your publication that

1783
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,079
jim peniston regarding his alleged

1784
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,160
binary code download

1785
01:04:01,589 --> 01:04:00,799
when touching a landed craft on the

1786
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,599
first night

1787
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,359
of the now famous reynoldshim forest

1788
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,000
incident uh you you gave a little bit

1789
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:08,240
of information regarding that in an

1790
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:09,280
article you wrote

1791
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:12,160
can you just share something about that

1792
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,760
because i found that article

1793
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,440
fascinating i didn't want to give too

1794
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,280
much away i was hoping you would share

1795
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:20,000
you know a little blurb with us about us

1796
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,920
on that topic

1797
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,760
don't know i'm fine to talk about that

1798
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:25,039
but i think you need to say

1799
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:28,000
and clarify that it wasn't jim peniston

1800
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:28,400
who

1801
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:31,920
did not

1802
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:35,039
it was gary osborne yeah who is working

1803
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,559
with june peniston

1804
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:38,880
gary osborne is the guy looking at the

1805
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:40,160
binary code

1806
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:43,039
and its implications whatsoever now up

1807
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:44,960
until this point

1808
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:48,720
i had uh never uh had any communication

1809
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,000
with uh gary osborne i knew of him and i

1810
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:54,240
knew that there was a book coming out so

1811
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:57,520
when uh he i saw him on uh

1812
01:05:00,710 --> 01:05:00,079
a facebook page uh and i sent him a

1813
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,720
message

1814
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,319
i said are you talking about the binary

1815
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:04,240
chord when's your book coming out blah

1816
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:05,599
blah blah

1817
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:08,799
and that then led to what turned out to

1818
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:09,760
be a very

1819
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:12,480
lengthy discussion about the binary

1820
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,359
chords

1821
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:15,359
uh and and it was such a good discussion

1822
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,960
that i thought it should be in the

1823
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:18,160
magazine because

1824
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:19,760
i don't really know about the binary

1825
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,160
chords only what i've been told only

1826
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,839
what i've seen in documentaries

1827
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:25,280
and so i thought this would be

1828
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:27,760
interesting for my readers

1829
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,720
now uh it's out there and basically it's

1830
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,079
going into the fact

1831
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:34,720
and he produces many pages of the binary

1832
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:35,920
the 16 pages

1833
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:39,359
in total but the binary story

1834
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:42,000
is controversial from my point of view

1835
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,200
because

1836
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,599
other than jim peniston there is no

1837
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:47,599
corroborative evidence whatsoever

1838
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:50,640
to say that he had a download and i

1839
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:51,440
think that's

1840
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,839
where which is what fascinated me

1841
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,240
to speak with gary and what i said

1842
01:06:02,230 --> 01:05:59,839
during the course

1843
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:02,240
of the discussion that's in the article

1844
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:03,760
in the magazine

1845
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:06,960
is that basically i would recommend

1846
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:10,319
because it's a standalone story

1847
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:13,839
no corroboration that that at the very

1848
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:14,640
least

1849
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:18,319
jim peniston submits to a polygraph

1850
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:20,000
examination

1851
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:21,520
because if he passes that then that

1852
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:23,839
again is as much as he can do

1853
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,920
uh saying that from his point of view

1854
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:27,599
it's a real event and that would help

1855
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:28,240
robert

1856
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:29,760
that it was a real event that it was not

1857
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:32,720
made up etc so i recommended that he do

1858
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:33,520
that

1859
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:36,799
and also suggested as i think jim has

1860
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:38,480
already suggested

1861
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:41,760
uh previously that the paper and ink

1862
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:44,799
uh should be given over to independent

1863
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,520
ufo researchers to check the edge of the

1864
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:49,839
ink in the edge of the paper

1865
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:52,480
now he mentions i think that it was has

1866
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:53,359
been

1867
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,920
the pocketbook which didn't nobody knew

1868
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,440
about the pocketbook for many years and

1869
01:07:02,390 --> 01:06:59,359
it only turned up in the documentary

1870
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,400
until the mid-2000s uh so

1871
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:03,839
he never mentioned it and then suddenly

1872
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:05,920
it's there so again

1873
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,880
uh you need to check and verify the edge

1874
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:09,680
of the ink

1875
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:12,240
now that may well be covered in the book

1876
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:13,520
that's coming out i don't know what's in

1877
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:14,160
the book

1878
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,760
but it was an interesting discussion i'd

1879
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:18,160
never had any kind of communication with

1880
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:19,520
gary osborne before

1881
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,920
but i think a lot of people will be

1882
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:23,119
fascinated

1883
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:26,640
to hear about the records i personally

1884
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:28,640
am very suspicious of them and i will

1885
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,079
i've finally said that

1886
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,640
because they're a standalone account and

1887
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:34,799
without any kind of cooperation

1888
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,680
whereas if we try people try to say that

1889
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:38,720
larry warren

1890
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,240
wasn't in the field that night well you

1891
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:42,240
best tell that to steve longero we saw

1892
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,039
him out there

1893
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:45,039
and arrived at the base with him and uh

1894
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:46,240
did the training with him i think he

1895
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,280
would recognize him

1896
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,440
if he saw him in the forest and he did

1897
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,280
so that kind of ends that one

1898
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,520
uh but adrian bustenza put larry warren

1899
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:55,359
there on many occasions so we'll talk

1900
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:56,079
about

1901
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,920
the level of corroboration other people

1902
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,280
have put in there as well

1903
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:02,000
so there is corroboration ferrari warren

1904
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:03,200
being there

1905
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:06,480
unfortunately jim's story is that's the

1906
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:07,119
problem

1907
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:09,039
i'm sorry reject i had kind of a

1908
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,240
different question

1909
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,480
um and that is regarding the

1910
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,160
authenticity of something since we're

1911
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,239
talking about that idea

1912
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,839
jim penniston brought up something

1913
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:20,880
interesting not that long ago

1914
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:24,880
uh i did a post regarding um aatip

1915
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:28,560
videos and regarding one of them

1916
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,319
jim said the film clip is doctored

1917
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:34,560
and he said that he felt the object on

1918
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:35,520
the nose cam

1919
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:38,799
had been masked and in other words he

1920
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:39,359
feels

1921
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:42,640
like the aatip videos one

1922
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:46,400
of them at least is either a hoax

1923
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,520
or a disinformation attempt now

1924
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:51,679
it's not so much that it's jim peniston

1925
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,719
saying that

1926
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,040
but it's a good example of somebody who

1927
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:57,040
has a high profile

1928
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:00,319
in the ufo community who is

1929
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,960
pointing out that one of these videos

1930
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:04,799
that people really rely on

1931
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:08,000
for information from the government

1932
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,159
regarding a uap

1933
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:13,440
interaction with the military could be

1934
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:17,839
a hoax do you feel the aatip videos

1935
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:20,880
one or all are hoaxed

1936
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:23,759
well i certainly i i don't have it i'm

1937
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,480
not aware

1938
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,560
that he said that but my reaction to

1939
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,239
that would be well

1940
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,319
i think there is clear evidence to say

1941
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:32,159
that the three that have been released

1942
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,799
were

1943
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,880
put through the pentagon release system

1944
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:35,839
so do

1945
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,359
appear to be official certainly the

1946
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:41,759
best case that's of the videos that's

1947
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:42,880
come out is the one

1948
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,520
involved in the uss nimitz uh and

1949
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,679
commander david fravar the pilot who has

1950
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,279
done multiple interviews

1951
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:51,279
uh and now he's even turning up at ufo

1952
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,560
conferences uh

1953
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:55,440
and i think that the recently the nimitz

1954
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,159
uh

1955
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,280
um special effects video that

1956
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:02,400
mr beatty put out recently was superb

1957
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:02,719
the

1958
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,400
that uh nimitz incidents into focus

1959
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,960
about the tic-tac so i have no doubt

1960
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,320
that the tic-tac incident

1961
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:17,120
is real and and that is a major major

1962
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:18,640
case because of the caliber of the

1963
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:19,600
people involved

1964
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:22,320
i've not heard that the other videos uh

1965
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:24,080
are hoaxes and you would hope that they

1966
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:24,960
are not

1967
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,520
uh because that would undermine the

1968
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:29,520
credibility of louise elizondo and all

1969
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,480
the other people

1970
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,480
at the to the stars of canon academy et

1971
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,320
cetera so let's hope not

1972
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,320
yeah just uh for your information that

1973
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:38,400
we've had dave on the show uh uh

1974
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,440
three times actually and uh he does feel

1975
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,600
that he has nailed down that that

1976
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,440
the two videos that you're talking about

1977
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:46,880
were actually from uh

1978
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:49,760
the same incident on the east coast of

1979
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,560
the us

1980
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,120
in 2015. so he feels he's got that

1981
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:54,640
nailed down

1982
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:58,000
excuse me but he's still not 100

1983
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:01,120
sure if the audio that is included is

1984
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:02,800
legitimate so that's where he's at on

1985
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,920
that and he's looked at it

1986
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:05,840
probably as close as anyone just just so

1987
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:08,960
you know yeah no i i appreciate that i i

1988
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:10,719
mean all i can say is that the special

1989
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,280
effects

1990
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:13,760
that he's uh the the animation that he

1991
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,440
put together to bring the tic tac

1992
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:17,679
incident to life was amazing

1993
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,280
and uh i i i failed to see how anybody

1994
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,120
could not be impressed by that if they

1995
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:25,679
watch it and uh also uh

1996
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:27,120
an additional step that he did he

1997
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:29,120
actually got kevin day who was the radar

1998
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,239
operator

1999
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,880
on the uh on the princeton that was part

2000
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,080
of that naval group

2001
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,320
uh to help out with the voice overs and

2002
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,920
help a little bit with the dialogue to

2003
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:39,040
add a little bit of additional

2004
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:40,000
authenticity

2005
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:43,920
it was fantastic absolutely superb

2006
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,280
and full credit and we need people uh

2007
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,960
with those skills to bring these

2008
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:50,320
incidents to life and

2009
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,239
and that's in a sense actually moves

2010
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:53,760
back to capital green

2011
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,239
because for the very first time based on

2012
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,239
actual witness descriptions

2013
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,640
we are using top special effects to

2014
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,400
bring these incidents to life

2015
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:04,000
in a way that they've never been done in

2016
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:06,400
documentaries before and i think

2017
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,640
when you see uh the many many different

2018
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,880
types of objects that were seen and

2019
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:14,880
there are quite a lot of commonalities

2020
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:15,199
the

2021
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:20,159
ball size object crops up several times

2022
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:21,440
throughout the documentary

2023
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:24,239
from different military witnesses uh you

2024
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:25,040
know we

2025
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:27,040
when you see them brought to light how

2026
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,199
anybody can still talk about

2027
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:31,440
it's a lighthouse you'll see how

2028
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:33,120
ludicrous that always was

2029
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,159
but one of my main aims

2030
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,880
is to challenge the the way the

2031
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,560
mainstream media

2032
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,640
have portrayed the rendering case

2033
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,120
because there is a lot more information

2034
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:48,159
old and new that has never ever featured

2035
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:49,520
in documentaries

2036
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:52,880
because it's tv driven money driven

2037
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,560
tv ufo bias driven and they only tell

2038
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,560
part of the story they don't give people

2039
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,800
the facts so what i promise people

2040
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:02,880
and i'll say again on air i've done it

2041
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:04,960
on every show is i'll make a pledge that

2042
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:06,800
you'll get more information

2043
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:08,719
about reynolds room than has ever been

2044
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,960
put out in any documentary ever

2045
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,120
and there is a lot of new information

2046
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,600
and a lot of important old information

2047
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,520
that i'm not going to go into now that

2048
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:19,280
is relevant that should have been put

2049
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,040
out there by the mainstream

2050
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:23,600
and they haven't done it so that begs

2051
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:24,320
the question

2052
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:27,600
why are investigated journalists best

2053
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,400
evidence

2054
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:29,760
and i think anybody who knows the

2055
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:32,000
subject closely and followed it over

2056
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:34,080
many years we'll say that there is a

2057
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,040
cover-up

2058
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:37,120
involved in the mainstream media and i

2059
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,480
absolutely buy into that

2060
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:40,159
it is a cover-up and you have not been

2061
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,760
told everything that you should have

2062
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:43,440
been told about reynolds

2063
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,920
gary to the stars academy the public

2064
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:47,360
benefit corporation

2065
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:53,990
they have announced their flagship

2066
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,159
research project known as adam

2067
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,400
which stands for acquisition and data

2068
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:00,480
analysis of materials

2069
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:03,760
to collect and evaluate material samples

2070
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:06,800
from crashed ufos

2071
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:09,520
the meta materials that they are

2072
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:10,480
collecting

2073
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:13,600
allegedly is being headed up by dr hal

2074
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,199
put off whom you know

2075
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:17,040
uh very well regarding you know who he

2076
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,560
is and

2077
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:21,600
his history and i wanted to know do you

2078
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:23,360
feel like this year or

2079
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:26,320
in the coming months or anytime soon uh

2080
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:27,520
ttsa

2081
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,520
or any organization including the

2082
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:31,040
government or any

2083
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:34,800
government around the world

2084
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:37,120
will come up with anything with regards

2085
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:37,920
to uap

2086
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:42,719
fragments or exotic alloys of any kind

2087
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,080
uh i think that what we can

2088
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:48,560
do now is that bigelow has effectively

2089
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:49,840
collected a lot of

2090
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,239
material from all over the world i

2091
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:58,709
and uh the question is when is he gonna

2092
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:01,840
really up the ante and release that

2093
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:05,440
the the analysis reports uh to the world

2094
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:08,080
if he has lots of material and they have

2095
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:09,360
got some incredible

2096
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:11,920
analysis reports that say these things

2097
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:12,560
are

2098
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,840
earth

2099
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:17,760
they're put together in a way that we

2100
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:19,280
can't replicate on earth

2101
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:21,760
then my personal opinion is that we

2102
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,800
should be moving

2103
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:24,480
to a stage where there is a big

2104
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,000
announcement he's a billionaire

2105
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,000
he can surely get a lot of publicity if

2106
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,239
he wants to push this forward

2107
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,320
i do sense that something is is

2108
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:34,800
happening on the disclosure front

2109
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:37,920
and uh it's amazing how louise alizonda

2110
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,800
just came out

2111
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,560
from the woodwork and we suddenly find

2112
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:42,480
that there'd been this five-year secret

2113
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,960
program

2114
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,880
i suspect there are many other special

2115
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:46,080
access programs

2116
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:49,760
uh uh dr put off did an

2117
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,920
incredible address a few months ago

2118
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:53,280
sometime last year

2119
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:55,520
and the things he's talking about this

2120
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,360
which we featured in the magazine

2121
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,600
was like reading science fiction but

2122
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,120
it's all stuff that he'd worked

2123
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,360
on so i think for somebody of his

2124
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:05,520
stature to be going public

2125
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:08,719
and making these kind of comments

2126
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:11,679
says that we are moving towards a time

2127
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:12,640
where

2128
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:15,679
um we're probably getting

2129
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:18,239
towards a real disclosure sooner rather

2130
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,960
than later

2131
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:20,880
and what i mean by that is within five

2132
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:22,719
years okay well

2133
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:24,159
there's all kinds of scientific

2134
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:25,840
applications regarding

2135
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:28,800
metamaterials one of them is cloaking do

2136
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:29,840
you feel like

2137
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,080
any government around the world has

2138
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:34,080
access to that kind of technology

2139
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:35,840
if not cloaking any other kind with

2140
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:38,480
regards to metamaterial discoveries

2141
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:41,920
i think the real answer to that is

2142
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,520
the the ufo field that we know about

2143
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:48,239
i would estimate we only know 10 percent

2144
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:49,520
in the public domain

2145
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:52,719
worldwide that means in the secret world

2146
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:54,880
of governments and intelligence services

2147
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,159
and intelligence research there is 90

2148
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:01,120
we don't know and i suspect we do have

2149
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:03,760
man-made recovered retrieved

2150
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:06,719
uh ufos for one of a better expression

2151
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:07,440
we may have

2152
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,600
space plate but as yet

2153
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:13,920
we don't have the accumulative evidence

2154
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,719
to prove it

2155
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:16,719
in the public domain i think a lot of

2156
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:18,159
people who've researched this subject

2157
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:19,199
for a long time

2158
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:21,360
will think and suspect that there is a

2159
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,800
secret space program

2160
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,800
but we've just not been told it to what

2161
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:26,400
level who knows

2162
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:27,840
but do we think that there is other

2163
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:30,320
things going on and that maybe nasa is

2164
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,840
just a front for other

2165
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:34,159
uh research going on in the moon mars

2166
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,520
etc who knows

2167
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:37,199
but i think a lot of people suspect that

2168
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:38,560
there are programs

2169
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:41,840
um in the secret domain

2170
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:43,760
i have no doubt that we've probably

2171
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:45,520
harnessed maybe antigravity

2172
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:47,120
and we have made some reproduction

2173
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:49,520
models but however not on the

2174
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:52,239
scale of people say the tr-3b everybody

2175
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:53,440
mentions a triangular

2176
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:56,719
ufo sighting or tr3b well we may have a

2177
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,480
tr-3b i don't know

2178
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,719
but i don't think there are many and you

2179
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:02,880
certainly not have them over in low over

2180
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:03,760
cities

2181
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,719
uh like many police officers reported to

2182
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,320
me even in the uk

2183
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:10,400
objects the size of a football field in

2184
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:12,000
one case two officers

2185
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:14,000
told me an object the size of three

2186
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:15,679
football fields black triangle

2187
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:17,920
silent just over some trees and i said

2188
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:19,600
how do you know it was the size of three

2189
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,480
football fields

2190
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:22,320
and he says because when we saw it it

2191
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:30,310
description so if these things are

2192
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:32,480
around i think most bt

2193
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:34,719
i think they have the ability to cloak

2194
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:36,800
and unclog forms of a better phrase

2195
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,800
at will uh they have harnessed

2196
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:40,800
technology far beyond ours

2197
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,760
i think in terms of space we're a bit

2198
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:45,520
like the ant in the playground

2199
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:47,440
we think that we're pretty clever but in

2200
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:49,600
reality we're at a very early stage of

2201
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,080
our

2202
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:52,239
cosmic awareness and we're the ant in

2203
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:54,159
the playground and do we talk to ants no

2204
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,640
we don't

2205
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:56,640
because we think we're far superior to

2206
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:57,760
an ant

2207
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,880
what if they think the same and so

2208
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,640
thank you for answering that a different

2209
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:04,560
question that is

2210
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:08,000
uh okay it's a little complicated i'll

2211
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,520
go ahead and start off by saying this

2212
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,280
stanton friedman a friend of yours

2213
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,400
and retired nuclear physicist uh

2214
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:16,880
iconic individual in the ufology

2215
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:18,880
community he's researched the mj12

2216
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:20,719
documents he's an expert on them he

2217
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:22,080
studied them for decades

2218
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:24,960
now and he first became aware of them

2219
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:27,040
from william moore and jamie shandera in

2220
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:28,480
1984.

2221
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:30,800
he's concluded that a few of the mj-12

2222
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:31,600
documents

2223
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:34,880
are probably authentic

2224
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:38,400
recently michael w hall the attorney for

2225
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:41,520
uh grant cameron revealed on a show uh

2226
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:43,280
for the first time and it just so

2227
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:43,840
happened

2228
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,679
that frank and i were on that show uh

2229
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:50,239
that grant cameron had come into

2230
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:51,440
possession

2231
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:54,880
of documents that were not classified

2232
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,920
at all and he believes that they are

2233
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,280
authentic

2234
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:02,640
mj 12 documents do you believe

2235
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:06,000
in mj 12 documentation

2236
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:07,679
i have not done the research that

2237
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,760
stanton has but i've spoken at length

2238
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:11,520
with stanton about this and we are good

2239
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,320
friends

2240
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:14,480
uh and we've we've met many times over

2241
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,080
the years and became good friends

2242
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,880
and i really really admire the man uh

2243
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:19,679
he's a legend

2244
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:21,920
uh on he's done the research and they

2245
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:23,600
think he told me that he believed that

2246
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:25,679
four of the documents were authentic

2247
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:29,199
yeah and and christ why am i gonna

2248
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:30,400
criticize or

2249
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,639
uh go against what stanton freeman said

2250
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:34,239
he was a he's an archivist

2251
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,880
he knows his documents uh well and

2252
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:38,400
probably better than any man in the

2253
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,400
in the world in ufology and if he said

2254
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,080
that for a genuine then i believe

2255
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:44,560
stanton's right uh do i believe

2256
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:46,880
generally that there is an mj-12 or that

2257
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:47,920
kind of structure

2258
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:50,480
absolutely and if i think that roswell

2259
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,639
was real as an e.t recovered craft which

2260
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:53,840
i do

2261
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:56,880
then i think that 1947 the creation of

2262
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,480
certain agencies

2263
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,560
that was done very quickly in light of

2264
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:02,880
the recovery of what went on there

2265
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,120
then i think it all makes sense that

2266
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:06,960
there would be a secret group

2267
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:09,520
and so inevitably there will be some

2268
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:10,960
documentation

2269
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:14,400
um so whether it was called majestic who

2270
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,040
knows

2271
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:16,800
but there would probably almost

2272
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:18,880
certainly if that scenario

2273
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:22,239
did occur i think certain organizations

2274
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,280
and a very clandestine group a secret

2275
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:27,280
group would have been created to try to

2276
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:28,480
control

2277
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,000
what was then an incredible discovery

2278
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,080
at a time just after the second world

2279
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:36,560
war and i would say this as well that

2280
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:38,719
at the time i think they had every right

2281
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:40,719
to keep it secret

2282
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:43,840
my argument would be that once the

2283
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:46,960
soviet union collapsed uh the

2284
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:49,360
the end of that era then they should

2285
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,239
have released all

2286
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:52,719
and gone and and and gone public with

2287
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:53,840
what they really know about

2288
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:57,040
e.t uh i did have another question do

2289
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:58,560
you feel society

2290
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,600
uh and if you don't mind i've i

2291
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:03,040
i normally don't ask people to do this

2292
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,480
but if you could keep your answer brief

2293
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:06,080
because i have another question for you

2294
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:07,760
right after this one and that is

2295
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:09,840
do you feel gary's society's evolved to

2296
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:10,880
the point where it feels there's

2297
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:12,320
extraterrestrial activity and they're

2298
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,520
more willing to acknowledge the

2299
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:14,960
possibility of it

2300
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:20,719
yes okay that's fantastic thank you

2301
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,880
okay the other question i have for you

2302
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:24,800
is how long have you felt there could be

2303
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:26,239
the presence or possibility of

2304
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,080
extraterrestrial civilizations

2305
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,719
and what was the defining moment in your

2306
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,159
life that convinced you

2307
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:35,280
extraterrestrial civilizations exist so

2308
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,639
how long you felt there could be the

2309
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,480
presence of e.t civilizations

2310
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:40,080
and what was the defining moment in your

2311
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,840
life and that allowed you to believe

2312
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:43,440
that

2313
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:46,639
i had a sighting when i was 16 of

2314
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:49,440
an object that appeared to trigger a

2315
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,080
number of

2316
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:52,080
power grid failures in the area where i

2317
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:53,120
lived

2318
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:55,440
i moved a mile approximately from one

2319
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:57,440
position to a second position following

2320
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,960
a light in the sky

2321
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:01,120
just a bright white light nothing

2322
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:02,719
spaceship or anything like that

2323
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,960
but then uh when i reached my home

2324
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,560
having moved a mile

2325
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:09,040
uh the object passed over the roof top

2326
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:10,639
of my house i was in the bottom of the

2327
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:11,360
garden

2328
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,159
i looked back at my house put my arm up

2329
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:15,840
as if i'm answering the question

2330
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,159
in the school room answering a question

2331
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:20,239
and as soon as the object went

2332
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:23,120
beyond the 90 degrees of my arm i saw

2333
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:24,560
effectively i was then behind the

2334
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:25,679
object's flight path

2335
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:28,000
the whole area was plunged into darkness

2336
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,199
and at that point there

2337
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,679
i said to myself having moved to a

2338
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:33,760
second geographical position

2339
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:36,560
how could i have predicted a power cut

2340
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:38,400
that object whatever it was

2341
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:40,400
must have interacted with the power grid

2342
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:42,080
and that's where my interest stemmed

2343
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:42,800
from

2344
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:45,199
but i didn't get involved into active

2345
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,080
research

2346
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,800
until i was 42 when i went public with

2347
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,719
the launch of the police database

2348
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,320
uh but i think the evidence is

2349
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:54,239
cumulative worldwide if you look at the

2350
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:55,360
best evidence

2351
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,840
uh from especially from pilots one of my

2352
01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:59,440
favorite cases

2353
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:02,400
uh military pilots like commander david

2354
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:03,280
fravor

2355
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:05,040
why are these people going to lie why

2356
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:06,719
they're going to go public

2357
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:09,679
and then we now have the ability through

2358
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,960
animation and

2359
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:13,440
computer graphics to bring these cases

2360
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,159
to life

2361
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:16,719
right from the 40s so when i delved into

2362
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:17,600
the history

2363
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,199
and saw that pilots were chasing ufos

2364
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,280
right through the second world war and

2365
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:25,199
in fact there's two incidents that not

2366
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:26,960
really well known

2367
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:29,600
that we talk about foo fighters during

2368
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:30,719
the second world war

2369
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:33,199
as balls of light but they weren't only

2370
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:34,560
just balls of light

2371
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,159
uh there are two sightings that the

2372
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:38,719
british had the crew of the like two

2373
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:40,960
crews of a lancaster bomber which was a

2374
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:42,719
four-engine bomber a big bomber of the

2375
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:43,760
second world war

2376
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:47,760
two crews in 1944 and 1942

2377
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:52,320
saw huge metallic circular disc shaped

2378
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,040
objects

2379
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:55,440
flying alongside their aircraft that

2380
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,400
were the

2381
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:58,400
the dwarf their planes are like four or

2382
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,840
five times the size

2383
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:02,000
of what was a large bomber of the second

2384
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:03,120
world war uh

2385
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:05,920
so there were structured objects flying

2386
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:06,719
throughout the

2387
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,480
second world war that had been seen and

2388
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:10,560
documented and we have those records in

2389
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:11,760
the british archives

2390
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:15,280
so i think really from the 40s onwards

2391
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:18,400
i think as soon as we drop

2392
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,280
we detonate an atomic weapon that sends

2393
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:23,360
a shockwave out into space

2394
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:26,960
that says to people out there that this

2395
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:30,000
uh species on planet earth has reached a

2396
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:31,120
level of attainment

2397
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:34,560
that they can create fusion and detonate

2398
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:35,760
a nuclear weapon

2399
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:38,159
now i also personally believe and

2400
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:39,199
suspect

2401
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,679
that in our deepest ocean countries we

2402
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:42,880
probably do have

2403
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,679
uh ufo bases and there's a lot of

2404
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:47,760
evidence to suggest that that's the case

2405
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:50,560
because ufos historically have been seen

2406
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,000
worldwide coming in

2407
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,800
and out of water uh and in fact many

2408
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:56,400
military encounters

2409
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,600
uh that are recorded uh of objects seen

2410
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,520
near ships military ships

2411
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,520
uh diving in or coming out of the water

2412
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,960
multiple objects

2413
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:06,880
that says to me in our deep distortions

2414
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:09,600
we only know five percent of the oceans

2415
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:12,639
we know more about the surface of mars

2416
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,960
and the moon than we do about our own

2417
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,000
ocean depths

2418
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:18,239
so i think it's entirely possible that

2419
01:26:21,910 --> 01:26:19,040
it's their

2420
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:21,920
habitat too so i think there's a big

2421
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,360
correlation between

2422
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:25,280
ufos and nuclear weapons that's been

2423
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:26,480
well established

2424
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:29,199
since the detonation of the first atomic

2425
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:29,840
bomb

2426
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,679
if you think of roswell the first atomic

2427
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:33,120
bomb squadron

2428
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,120
of all the places in all the bars in all

2429
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:37,120
the world that's where they turn up so

2430
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,719
it's no coincidence

2431
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,400
people don't see that connection but

2432
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:42,560
it's so obvious they turn up

2433
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:44,480
over roswell because it's an atomic bomb

2434
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:46,080
squadron the first in the world

2435
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:47,760
that's where they turn up they're turned

2436
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,880
up at northern nuclear power plants uh

2437
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:53,120
and and nuclear missile storage areas

2438
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:54,080
have shut down

2439
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,400
weapons storage areas as has been

2440
01:27:01,110 --> 01:26:58,880
reported by the likes of robert salas

2441
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:01,120
etc they can shut down their

2442
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:03,199
technologies far superior

2443
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:06,159
and i think the message is that maybe

2444
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:07,520
it's their habitat too

2445
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,760
i.e if you live some of them in a deep

2446
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:11,520
extortion trench on a base

2447
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:13,280
then they do not want to see their

2448
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:14,719
habitat destroyed

2449
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:17,440
through mankind's ignorance and stupid

2450
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:18,719
stupidity

2451
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:21,520
um frank do i have time to ask one or

2452
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:22,719
two more questions

2453
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:25,040
uh yeah yeah i do have to get rolling

2454
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:26,719
but yeah one or two that'll work

2455
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:30,239
okay uh gary do you see a major change

2456
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:31,600
in the way the media and scientific

2457
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:32,159
community

2458
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,920
treats the subject we've been talking

2459
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:35,280
about ufology

2460
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:36,719
or do you believe the scientific and

2461
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:38,320
journalistic communities are purposely

2462
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:40,880
ignoring the possibility of the presence

2463
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:44,159
of ets or et civilizations however you

2464
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,000
want to frame that question

2465
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:48,880
i think there is a slight change to the

2466
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:49,920
positive

2467
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:52,960
following the the release of the

2468
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:55,920
uh pentagon admissions and luis elizondo

2469
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,400
and

2470
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:58,239
the video the nimitz incident is

2471
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,560
attracting a lot of attention and

2472
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:02,960
now it's backed up with the uh superb

2473
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:05,040
graphics by uh mr beatty

2474
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,960
then uh it's bringing it to life in a

2475
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:08,639
way and and people

2476
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:10,639
if anybody in the media says to

2477
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,679
ufologists

2478
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:13,360
where's your evidence you point them

2479
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:14,960
back to december the 16th

2480
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:16,800
and there's a clear admission by a guy

2481
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:18,320
who run a pentagon program

2482
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:20,320
that says exotic aircraft are flying

2483
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:21,760
around in our airspace

2484
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:23,440
that's way beyond the technology of

2485
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:24,800
anything that america has

2486
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:26,960
by process of elimination that means

2487
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:28,800
it's easy

2488
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:31,199
fantastic and any parting thoughts on

2489
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:32,080
the topic

2490
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:34,480
of ufology in general something you have

2491
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,560
not covered on the show

2492
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:38,480
do you have anything else you'd like to

2493
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:41,920
cover regarding the topic of ufology

2494
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:45,199
uh no not really i i think it's a

2495
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,760
i think there are signs that uh with if

2496
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,760
if the chinese initiative which i'm

2497
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:51,360
personally involved in so obviously got

2498
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:53,840
a big interest if that

2499
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:55,679
goes anywhere which i hope it does and

2500
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:58,480
we can get 30 representatives 30

2501
01:29:03,110 --> 01:28:59,280
countries

2502
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,120
uh get recognized then have a platform

2503
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:05,840
which will be discussed and no doubt uh

2504
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:07,840
be broadcast in due course

2505
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:09,520
when it's the right time to to come

2506
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,440
forward if we can organize

2507
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:13,840
ourselves on a worldwide basis then i

2508
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:15,600
think that would be a major step

2509
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:18,800
step forward to creating a political

2510
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:22,080
element to put pressure on various

2511
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:23,760
governments to release what they really

2512
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:24,400
know

2513
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:26,080
so i think hand in hand with what's

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01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:27,840
emerging through atip

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01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:30,320
uh that it's all good if you want

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01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,199
disclosure i think

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01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,440
i think we are moving towards it in that

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01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:35,280
i think the mainstream media

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01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,080
should not ever be allowed to forget

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01:29:40,709 --> 01:29:40,000
what louise elizondo said on december

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01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:40,719
the 16th

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01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:43,440
2017 and everybody has a duty to push

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01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:44,480
them back to that

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01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:46,159
because they cannot get away with it

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01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:48,560
ever again we know that these things are

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01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,199
out there

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01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:51,120
they're way beyond anything that america

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01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:53,440
has and that was an incredible admission

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01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:55,760
and so i think that the mainstream media

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01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:56,639
are

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01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:58,960
beginning to realize that and i think

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01:30:02,550 --> 01:29:59,679
and actually

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01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:02,560
in a strange kind of way the success of

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01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:05,280
the project blue book tv series

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01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:08,400
which is very much 98 fiction

2536
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:11,280
2 based on a bit of truth uh but

2537
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:13,360
nevertheless it's become a hit tv series

2538
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,480
and it's well made

2539
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:16,239
it's entertaining if you treat it as

2540
01:30:20,070 --> 01:30:17,520
fiction but

2541
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:20,080
nevertheless it all the shows

2542
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:20,880
effectively

2543
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:23,040
are about a cover-up by a secretive

2544
01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:26,080
group if that captures the imagination

2545
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,960
of the world through media then i think

2546
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:30,000
that's a good thing

2547
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:32,320
and we just then point them towards the

2548
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,080
pentagon admissions and other things

2549
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:36,000
and our best cases from around the world

2550
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,600
and i think we're edging towards a

2551
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:39,120
disclosure of time

2552
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,639
that's wonderful i would like to point

2553
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:42,480
out something to our listeners and that

2554
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:43,520
is a wonderful

2555
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:46,639
offer that gary has

2556
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:49,360
given to people who are listening to our

2557
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:50,880
show today

2558
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:54,159
if they actually write to gary

2559
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,960
at hesselteenhazelteamgaryhotmail.com

2560
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,480
uh gary you'll have to correct me on

2561
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:02,000
your last name on by the

2562
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:05,360
way but hazeltinegary hotmail.com and

2563
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:06,800
i'll i'll go ahead and spell that in a

2564
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:07,760
moment

2565
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:11,520
they can get a free magazine easing from

2566
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:12,000
gary

2567
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:15,520
ufo truth one of many they just have to

2568
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:16,960
choose which one and he'll give more

2569
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,280
details on that right now

2570
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:21,600
yeah basically it's hazel tyne gary you

2571
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,400
forgot

2572
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:24,960
earlier hazeltine gary hotmail.com if

2573
01:31:29,110 --> 01:31:26,080
they email me

2574
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:29,120
they can choose one complimentary issue

2575
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:30,719
from one of 35 issues

2576
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:33,120
that we've had today it's bi-monthly and

2577
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,560
if you like it then you are putting a

2578
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:36,239
link but it's entirely up to you

2579
01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:37,920
all you have to do is email me and say

2580
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:40,080
i'll listen to the chant hannah show

2581
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:42,239
and basically i will send them whatever

2582
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,480
number they request

2583
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:46,320
right and actually if they just say that

2584
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:48,000
they listen to

2585
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:50,560
you fun the ufo news network or they

2586
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:52,239
could just say the ufo news network that

2587
01:31:57,910 --> 01:31:54,800
would be fantastic

2588
01:31:59,750 --> 01:31:57,920
yep whatever for all all as they have to

2589
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:59,760
do is acknowledge that this show that

2590
01:32:02,229 --> 01:32:00,800
we've made today

2591
01:32:05,030 --> 01:32:02,239
and i will send them a complimentary

2592
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:05,040
copy of whichever number they wish

2593
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:06,719
we appreciate your time today gary thank

2594
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:08,400
you so very much we it was a real

2595
01:32:12,149 --> 01:32:10,000
privilege to have you on the show

2596
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:12,159
now you're welcome and and what you've

2597
01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:13,440
got to understand is

2598
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:14,880
because i know what's going to be in the

2599
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:16,800
documentary the director will kill me if

2600
01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:17,840
i say too much

2601
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:21,280
about giving so i have to be a bit

2602
01:32:23,750 --> 01:32:22,080
guarded

2603
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:23,760
but i suggest that when you watch the

2604
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:25,840
documentary you will see the amount of

2605
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:27,040
material that's come out

2606
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:28,880
and i think you will probably want to

2607
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:30,560
talk to me again when i can be more

2608
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:31,679
freely available

2609
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:35,040
about what i can say we will do that

2610
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:37,360
sounds good alrighty uh gary i

2611
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:38,800
appreciate it we're going to wrap up

2612
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:39,520
here

2613
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,960
and i've got to get going and do

2614
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,480
get back into the real world so we're

2615
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:46,080
going to wrap up real quick uh thanks

2616
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:46,639
gary

2617
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,760
thanks chant and uh everybody uh enjoy

2618
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:51,600
the rest of your week and we're going to

2619
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:53,280
be back i think it's uh

2620
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:55,600
next week uh with some more shows for

2621
01:32:59,430 --> 01:32:56,400
you and

2622
01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:59,440
the promos and all that the spam will be